because i think there has always been concerned, everyone healthy when he took the job. as he gets older, he's less healthy. >> everybody needs a break from time to time. there are concerns barbie, thank you. we will follow you. thank for joining us. "at this hour" with berman and michaela starts right now. >> so is it radical candor or more like calculating candidate. hillary clinton with new comments on benghazi, immigration and even grandparenthood. the redskins icon getting the axe. the trademarks have been cancel by the u.s. patent office. right ocean, wrong spoxt a group of experts saying the search for malaysian airlines 370 missed the mark by hundreds of miles.

hello, everyone. i'm john berman. >> i'm michaela pereira. it's 11:00 a.m. in the east. 8:00 a.m. in the west. we begin with the suspect in the deadly attack on the u.s. consulate in benghazi. he is expected to travel now to the u.s. by navy ship. ahmed abu khatallah has been in custody on a navy ship. the navy plans to transport him by sea rather than by air to give investigators maximum time to question him. the obama administration wants him to stand trial in federal court. >> the arrest of abu khatallah runs smack dab into the debate over benghazi. in the middle of whatever you want to call it sits hillary

clinton. she may or may not be running for president but she did face new questions in the rifting -- rif vetting cnn town hall. >> we want to know who was behind it, what the motivation of the leaders and the attackers happened to be. there are still some unanswered questions. it was after all the fog of war, but i'm absolutely convinced that the united states and all of our various agencies, with all of our professionals, including the congress, is, you know, piecing together the best information we can find. >> that was hillary clinton sounding measured, but firm, open minded yet decisive, almost like a candidate perhaps, maybe if atlas night's cnn town hall event. >> it did cover a whole range of topic. every word will be picked apart.

joining us mark lamont hill and. we heard mrs. clinton talk about benghazi. i was watching the town hall, on twitter, she said still unanswered questions, a whole lot of people whole lot of people of right conservatives said yeah, that's why we want the committee investigating. >> it's to her credit. i look forward to hearing more from her. >> we were talking about the fact that it's interesting how much attention has been paid. she's on a book tour by the way. she's on a book tour, mark. let's bring into the conversation this notion that one of questions that was asked on tumblr, she talked about the impending birth of her first grandchild and the decision she's going to have to make about running for president. i want you to listen to this because there was an interesting

point to this. >> hard choice, grandmother or the possibility of being the first female president of united states of america. >> there have been -- >> hard choice. >> there have been a lot of grfers who have done it. >> priest siesly. so maybe it's not a hard choice. >> it's a personal hard choice. >> i love precisely. i love that point. look, i keep talking about the fact this is a book tour but she sounded like this was paving the road for a run in 2016. >> first of all, this is nothing more than a campaign tour, a proto-campaign tour. the book was a campaign book similar to president obama's book that came out. her answer was perfect and it does two things. one, it challenges the conventional logic that women can't have it all, beyond that, it speaks to her base. hillary clinton did a masterful job yesterday of pushing back against critics of answering

tough questions, acknowledging her mistakes, and that answer speaks to that female base that's going to love to see her in office. >> she was on several sides though of some issues. it was interesting as you listen to some of the answers. there was joking last night between christiane and mrs. clinton. this is going to be hillary unplugged. you are going to see her unvarnished. if you look at the polls and there's a new poll out today, it still says that mrs. clinton suffers on the issue of being honest and straightforward. more people say no to the question than yes. so what do you think? do you think the radical candor notion is believable? >> i think it's what you do when you are a tested person for a long time. will it help her? i doubt it. here's the problem. right now, hillary clinton looks absolutely invulnerable. she looked invulnerable the last time around too and suddenly out

of nowhere becomes barack obama. i think she's a lot more vulnerable than people think. look at what happened to eric cantor recently. there's a lot of anger and distrust and frustration. hillary clinton reflects this establishment, this entrenched establishment that's been around for a very long time. she and her husband hob knob with a lot of rich and powerful people. i think when you are looking at the democratic party, right now it looks like they are ready for a coronation. that's not how it's going it turns out. >> more vulnerable, but candid. she isn't a declared candidate at this point. she was able to have some freedom in answering questions in a town hall no forum. >> there's no such thing as true candor when you are running for a presidential office if you

want to win. but i do want to say, hillary, she's not invulnerable, she does have a pretty clear path at least to the nomination. i agree in the an strak there's no such thing as inestably. there's nobody in the bullpen for the dems. regulated candor that you see from right now. >> no such thing as inestably and no such thing as candor when you are running for office. thank you for that cynical view. >> that's what we're here for. >> appreciate it. ahead "at this hour" iraq, is it on the edge of civil war. doctors didn't believe that this woman had a stroke, so she took a self-ie when the next one hit.

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dramatic new developments in iraq. reuters reports that insurgents may now control the entire baiji facility. the militants nching ever closer now to baghdad. they are battling iraqi military as well as civilians in baquba. >> president obama is said to be weighing his options. i want to bring in our jim

sciutto. baquba, if it falls, the implications are dire for the iraqi capital. do we get any sense there's going to be an imminent decision any time soon if the u.s. is going to do anything? >> we've been told since the beginning the president is going to act, he's going to decide and act with urgency, but he and his team want to make sure that whatever they do has an actual impact on the ground and limits the costs as well. i'm told from the military side they have discussed specific options with the president but they haven't prepared or finished a final target list for potential air strikes so that's something -- a step that still needs to be completed. but there's another issue here as well. the administration clearly believes and i've been told the same thing by intelligence officials that baghdad will hold. as quickly as isis has made gains in the north and the west,

baghdad, because it's a shiite city, because of that, they believe that baghdad will hold and in reality that gives them some time. it's a dire thought to imagine that only a third of the country has been taken over by isis and as long as baghdad holds, that gives us some time to decide on next steps. it's amazing how the calculus has changed in just the last week, really. >> interesting indeed. iraq is spiraling toward all out war between shiites and sunnis. let's bring in retired lieutenant general spider marks. michael o'hanlin joins us. michael, i'm going to start with you. iraqi prime minister maliki seems to be a big part of this problem when you talk to various people. that's what they are saying. president obama has told the

iraqi leader he's got to be more inclusive of the people in his country, the different factions, but you go a step further, you flat out say he should go. isn't that a nonstarter? >> that's a good point. it really is going to be hard to pull off, but i still think it's worth confronting the basic reality. i think it's going to be extremely difficult to make iraq work as a country and pull together the different groups as long as maliki is in charge. my guess is that he has squan r squandered permanently any hope to be charge of a unified country. we should persuade him not to run for a third term for prime minister. it's going to be tough. i think it helps you with the next step of the negotiation if necessary. if he won't step down, at least now he knows we're not going to provide him a whole lot of additional help until he's quite serious about restoring the proper functioning the ministries of interior, defense, and justice, all of which he's

essentially taken over and he's basically excommunicated and expelled any sunni whether they be fair minded or not in the process. as well as firing a lot of good sunni generals in the iraqi army. a lot of those steps have to be reversed or there's no hope of ever taking back that western third of the country. >> side -- spider marks, you've heard michael's comments about the politics in baghdad, that mali is -- maliki is a failed leader with no hope for redemption. you believe the military advances of isis need to be stopped really no matter what. >> that's a precondition. maliki is totally irrelevant is baghdad falls. i agree that baghdad is going to be a difficult city to take

over. 80% of the people are shias. i think isis will be stalled. the problem is the government of iraq is really on the brink of total collapse. we can't afford and i think michael would agree we can't afford to have a failed state of iraq. this is a rich country, an educated country and it cannot be a breeding ground for further terrorism. maliki has to be able to get some support so he can stop what looks like an inevitable collapse of his government. we have to have a robust conversation that talks about the government after next that does not include maliki and is more inclusive. if maliki is a patriot of iraq, that's a serious conversation. if it's purely political and sectarian, michael is correct again. we've got a larger problem. >> you say we can't have a failed state in iraq, but michael can't you make a case

that we don't have a failed state with iraq right now with semble essentially two or three parts of the country seem to be moving apart. >> i agree with spider. my concern would be the sanctuary that's been created in the north and west of the country where al qaeda affiliates and isis can now take root and operate with impunity, and plan attacks around places like baghdad and other parts of the middle east but eventually in europe and the united states. that's exactly the kind of concern we have to address. it's not so much that i'm worried about iraq collapsing. the more likely thing is civil war where there is a qied -- divided country and in the north and west, isis is able to maneuver around with a lot more freedom. i doubt that maliki can do it,

gets to the issue with how do you create a new coalition government that could do it. the short term agenda is to stop the south ward movement of this isis insurgency. >> thanks to lending your expertise to this. this is a massive story that u.s. and cnn are keeping our eyes on. ahead, some experts say new computer models could tell us where to find flight 370 and the 239 people who were on board. they think the previous search was hundreds of miles off the mark. we'll take a look. are always calm during a storm. so if your business deals with the unexpected, hp big data and cloud solutions make sure you always know what's coming - and are ready for it. make it matter.

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>> at this hour, a new theory about ma litigation airlines 3 ownership and where it might be. an independent group of experts says five separate computer models put the plane in the southern indian ocean but it's in a stretch of water hundreds of miles southwest of the previous search area. >> the group says the plane's equipment was programmed with certain assumptions about a satellite which ended up being false. i want to bring in our aviation analyst ma analyst. >> what do you make of this? does this seem sound to you? is this a theory worth exploring? what are your thoughts? >> it certainly is a theory worth exploring and it does seem sound. if anything it backs up the data. i don't take it an attack on the data. what they are saying is the plane's computers were

programmed to believe that the satellite was stationary. it's like playing marco polo when you were on the pool, you know the other entity is on the diving board, but ste on the low diving board or the high diving board. it certainly makes a lot of sense, to me, just being a couple hundreds of miles from the enmarset calculations, that's pretty close it looks valid. these are ten very brilliant gentlemen who have come up with this. i think it's worth exploring. >> there's the sense that maybe those pings that they thought heard and they now believe were not connected to the flight may have led them off course for a long time in this investigation. >> i think that's exactly right. you know, and we all remember because we were watching with the rest of the world, with

bated breath, when those pings were achieved on the very first, when we got the data, it appears it took the southern mark, and it was right, they got the pinning the very first day, people were so excited and then they got three more, but they were too far apart and they were wrong kilohertz, the wrong frequency to this day no one has ever determined if a pinger can degrade. and i think that it threw everyone off and they thought they were on the location. i still think this new data, when you think about how big the earth is, being a couple of miles from where boeing and australians saying it it's pretty close. >> that's an interesting point. it is pretty close. i was thinking about it. i was doing the calculation earlier today, it's 103 days and the fact that we talked early on

in those early days, we've had these very conversations with you about this was like a needle in a hay stack, we have not even found the hay stack yet. what do you make of it at 103 days in. we're not closer to solving this mystery. >> well, exactly. and you know what i make of it. there's the one mile look and then the 100 mile look. at the one-mile look it's just anguish and other pain for these families but 100 mile look it's something that shouldn't be. there are capabilities in modern aircraft and with the satellite systems that we have, this is a situation that should never be, shouldn't have been, since the disappearance of air france 447, there have been ten black boxes that haven't been found in the ocean, and so we knew that leading up even to this. this plane was sold to malaysia in 2002. there have been a lot of

advances since then but even at 2002, there was more equipment this plane should have had. so never should this happen again. >> still tough to think, mary. >> 25 minutes after the hour right now. head for us "at this hour" canceled, the washington redskins' trademarks canceled? what does that mean now for the identity of the franchise? will they keep this controversial name? stay with us. really, guys, i thought... it also has more rear legroom than other midsize sedans. and the volkswagen passat has a lower starting price than... much better. vo: hurry in and get 0% apr for 60 months on 2014 passat gasoline models plus a $1000 contract bonus.

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skills, science, technology, engineering ask math. they are calling it makers fair. >> i like the name. >> at this hour, a crisis at the u.s. border, the obama administration calls it an urgent humanitarian situation. i think that's an understatement. thousands of children coming illegally and alone. many of them escaping violence in-on -- honduras, guatemala and el salvador. >> and one country is essentially saying keep them. the honduras foreign ministery is asking u.s. to not send them back. >> you don't holdback at all. good to have you with us. you are likening the conditions that these kids are being kept in right now, you are liking it

to government sponsored child abuse. >> right. it's a fact that the kids are being treated in some of these government facilities worst than we treat terror suspects at guantanamo bay. you have 30 to 40 kids in a holding cell. one or two toilets. they are not being given medicine. the food is sparse. there's no places to sleep. they are being warehoused in these military bases and government detention facilities with no regard for these kids and some of them as young as five or six-year-olds. it's intolerable that is happening. >> there's so many different interests parties. there's obviously the conditions kids are being kept in. i would like to think everyone cares about children. there's also the policy, you know, how do you keep this from happening and now that's exacerbated by this bizarre at the same time to me from

honduras which is essentially saying don't let the door hit you on the way out. >> well, from their poifer point of view, we have a gang war going on, many kids have already died, been recruited by these violent gangs into violent activities. these kids are refugees and the honduras government is saying if you send them back, it could mean certain death in some cases so by all means keep them. >> i'm curious what your assessment is. this is not a new problem. this has been going on for a while now. we know rick perry alerted national authorities to this some two years ago. why do you think now it's getting this kind of national attention? >> well, it's a good point. it's getting national attention because it's about children, it's about the numbers. 47,000 in eight months, more coming all the time, a thousand

a day. ironically barack obama has been deporting a thousand illegal immigrants every day and now a thousand more are coming in every day. so you have the magnitude clearly. the fact that they are children. this is a country, don't forget, our country, a great and compassionate country, we pass laws to prevent kids from eating fatty foods and sugary drinks. the very fact that these kids are being treated this way has gotten the attention of so much media. to your point, it's always been the case that you've had poverty and gang violence in central america, the spark that began this was a creative effort by the drug and human trafficking cartels in these countries to generate all this business, 47,000 kids paying $le,000 -- $8,000 a head to come to the united states because they were told in the home countries if they got here, they could stay, so it's really been a fraud p

perpetuated on these people. guess who made the money, the car tells. >> that's zpresing. hillary clinton asked about this last night in the cnn town hall. let's listen to what she said. >> we have to send a clear message just because your child gets across the border, doesn't mean the child gets to stay. >> so, you know, she flat-out says it. they have to go back. what do you think of that? >> yeah. it's not a good answer. it's a dumb answer because it's too simple. you have 47,000 kids. some of them should go back and some should stay. how do you decide who goes and stays? in fact if they are refugees, the fact that a yale educated lawyer has to be reminded somebody has to have a hearing to decide who gets stay or not. it's going to tell me that hillary clinton is going to find the immigration issue very

challenging if she runs for president. >> to me, there's no easy fix as you said. this is not an easy scenario to be worked out. a lot of these kids are being dumped into the system. it is what we call a hot mess. so we'll keep an eye on this one. thank you, reuben. >> ahead for us at this hour, the redskins icon, name, the redskins in scbrenl, the u.s. patent office now says they will lose their trademark. so does this mean the end of this franchise as we know it? that's when we come back. (vo) after 50 years of designing cars for crash survival, subaru has developed our most revolutionary feature yet.

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>> now, this all sounds technical. the board says it lacks the authority to prevent the team to continue to use the trademarks. this all comes after native americans launched an anti name redskins campaign. joining us is sports and entertainment attorney dominic romano. this all sounds so technical. i'm not an attorney. thank goodness you are. it seems to me if a team loses exclusivity over its trademark, it loses a lot of money which means it's very unlikely the team would let this stick. >> the thing to know about trademarks and trademark protection at law is there are different ways to protect your trademark. this federal registration which is the what the patent and trademark office canceled that's a national protection. there are common laws rights and state registration systems. just because they lost the

federal mark, doesn't mean they don't continue to hold rights at the state and common law level. >> that could really seem messy to me. that leaves a lot of doors open. >> and they might follow the lead of the federal trademark office. >> this is going to put enough pressure on the team, on the nfl to listen to the ground swell of support to change this name? >> great question. it puts financial pressure because it limits the power to enforce that trademark. without federal registration there are certain rights that they won't have and is to it would be more difficult to police and enforce those trademarks, so as an economic calculation, this might be one step closer to finally changing that name. >> houbl, there will be the pr factor. we haven't heard directly yet from the redskins or the nfl. i would imagine they will appeal. i would imagine this would not be a done deal for some time. but let's say it is a done deal,

to get back to this complicated legal mass between national and state, it will cost them money and there's no business that wants to forfeit money. >> exactly. i think this is a blow. it's an economic blow if it stands. they did appeal before because it was a technicallity in the previous decision. >> of any the technicality something about the plaintiffs being too old? >> suffice to say this decision now is going to be much more difficult to appeal and not only that, i mean, look at the reasoning behind this. they said that the name has a likelihood to bring a certain sector of the population to disparage. in other words, the finding, i think, sends a message to the nfl and the team owner who said, explicitly in a newspaper interview in a year ago that he will not change the name of the team. he said you can print that in capital letters. this is additional pressure. >> do you think the players will

stand up and say something? >> one would hope at a certain point the players would. >> we were talking about the difference between -- i know the nfl and the nba are different. you have a new commissioner in the nba, he made a very quick statement. we had you hear talking about donald sterling, very quick and decisive, but perfectly tuned reaction to the donald sterling reaction. very strong stand, and yet here i don't feel roger kadel weak as a commissioner, why hasn't he made more of a statement? >> he sort of dodge the question. he was asked directly, would you call a native american a red skin to his or her face? >> the argument to keep the nation is tradition. that's basically the only argument. 1933. but so what, so many things have occurred -- >> we have evolved. >> exactly. why should tradition be a reason to keep something up that according to the court decision offends 30%, at least 30% of the

native american population. >> yes or no beginning of the end today, you think? >> absolutely the beginning of the end. >> we should point out that we've actually reached out to the nfl and the redskins and is waiting to heavier -- hear back. always great to have you. excellent tie by the way. >> head fo us "at this hour" a woman records a selfie while she's having a stroke. why did she do that? because doctors didn't believe her a little time. >> beyonce's little daughter, how is it that this child's hair is already the topic of controversy. we'll look into it. are feeling the love, too. by offering things like on-the-spot data upgrades -- an idea that reduced overcharge complaints by 98%. no matter how fast your business needs to adapt,

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so imagine this, you think you're having a stroke, but no one believes you. that's what happened to one woman. >> yeah, the 49-year-old canadian woman, she's from outside toronto, she felt the left side of her body go numb. she says her face tingled and froze. tests showed nothing was wrong. her doctor said she should really learn to manage her stress better. it happened again while she was in her car, pulled out her phone and recorded it. >> it was like -- sensation is happening again. it's all tingling on the left

side. on the left side. >> bless her heart. this is such a terrifying moment. i can't imagine how she's feeling. elizabeth cohen joins us, our senior medical correspondent. it's frightening to imagine she doesn't feel she's being heard and she's probably afraid and concerned because something's not right. talk about being empowered, taking a video selfie. >> it was so smart of her. she is such an empowered patient. i don't really know her and i'm proud of her. i did actually speak to stacy earlier today. these were transient attacks, meaning they happened, then they went away, they happened and they went away. she left that first e.r. where they told her, you know, kind of patted her on the head and said manage your stress better. she had another one in the parking lot. she whipped out her phone and recorded it. >> it's upsetting, isn't it? >> elizabeth, what do you look for? where do you go beyond just

being, you know, concerned something's not right to thinking you might have a stroke? >> that's what's so disturbing. when she went to the e.r. and described her symptoms, it seems like it was so obviously one of these mini strokes. they've come up with an acronym, fast. the first one is face. if you're smiling, she made reference to that, and one side is drooping, get yourself to a hospital or call 911. the "a" is for arm. if your arm is drifting down or drooping. speech, if your speech is slurred or strange. and then time, time is of the essence if any one of these things are happening. they can really help you. what they have in e.r. these days, it's amazing. if you don't get there in time, it's not going to work. >> a friend of mine's father is an exact example of that. i'm pleased to be able to say

that. we live in the age of the intern internet. we're all googling symptoms we find. we go to webmd or online to help diagnosis. that worries doctors. how do we get docs to hear us in a situation like this? that's a real issue. >> i think you're right, a lot of doctors pooh pooh the internet. one thing my family did, our youngest daughter, she was snoring. we talked to the pea drimedia t. we videotaped her and showed it to him. he said this is great, i can see it. that's a good use of technology. and of being an empowered patient. use technology to help your doctor help you. >> elizabeth cohen, thanks for that. that was really something to see. frightening. we're also glad to report she's under the care of doctors and they're getting her the help she needs. she's doing great. that's good to know. right on, elizabeth. thanks so much. another break here ahead. we're going to talk about

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i would. switch to comcast business internet and get the fastest wifi included. comcast business. built for business. when a little one like a kid is 2, they're always adorable, right? >> absolutely. >> you're a father of two. what's most important is they're happy and healthy. a petition on change.org says beyonce's daughter is not looking cute because her hair isn't done. >> of course, this petition, they're blaming the parents, asking them to comb her hair. the petition has now received more than 5,000 signatures. it is also received, i would say, much more outrage. here is whoopi goldberg's take on it. >> do you know blue ivy's hair?

>> i think -- >> it doesn't matter. she doesn't know her hair texture unless she's felt it. she doesn't know what blue ivy's hair is. my daughter had the worst hair, the worst. you come at her with a brush -- ahhh, ahhh, ahhh. you know. >> but they're babies. >> some kids have sensitivities. don't touch my head. >> unless you want or -- brush a mile in their shoes, you might want to back the hell off. >> ooh. you heard whoopi right there. let's bring in our guest. writer and editor for the root. you wrote quite an article about this. >> i got so upset reading it. this is a 2-year-old child. why do people think they can talk about somebody's child for goodness sake? it kind of put me off a bit. there should be certain things that are, you know, off limits. and i think talking about someone's child is one of them. especially if it's something that you have no control over. you can't control what beyonce

does to her daughter's hair. and she's 2. >> you know, i'm of the mind you can probably find 5,000 idiots to sign a petition on anything. i think this is symbolic of the fact, you know, it probably explains why the economic recovery isn't stronger because these people aren't using the time to do something productive. >> exactly. >> however, highlight what i do think is a very interesting discussion. you write about this, the discussion of particularly african-american women and their hair. it's an issue, i got to say, a lot of white people like me, we don't think about this a lot. but it's very interesting. it's a deep discussion. >> i mean, it's hair politics of course. i would say also hair politics and respectability politics. you know, women, they take pride in their hair. but, you know, if you're an adult and you want to take pride in your hair, that's fine, but she's 2. i mean, a 2-year-old has nothing to do with how their hair is

styled. and who's to say that beyonce didn't do her daughter's hair that day. and she happened to be playing or she was napping or she didn't feel like doing her child's hair. >> the aspect of it that i find is an interesting notion is somehow people are putting adult beauty standards on a child. and that -- look, the same people that would be complaining about this or at least another equal amount of people would be complaining if that child's hair -- if she had a weave or if she had pressed her hair or if she had given her a faux hawk for goodness sakes. >> if she had a relaxer, they would be complaining about that. if she had beads in her hair, they would be complaining, oh, beads can make your hair fall out. basically if she does her hair, she's going to get complaints. if she doesn't do her child's hair, people have something to say also. >> again, i think this is ridiculous and offensive to say the least. at what point do beyonce and jay

z, you know, need to take -- there's a lot of instagram pictures of blue ivy. never showing her face. a lot of pictures on blue ivy. could they do more to keep her out of the spotlight? >> you know, they don't show blue ivy often. you know, every once in a while you see her. like i saw a picture of her yesterday and she had a little bun in her hair. her hair was done. i mean, according to their standards, that was done. they have tried to shield her from the media. but, you know, people are ruthless. i mean, there's paparazzi everywhere. >> look, i'll tell you, i've had my own share of hair woes. >> i just got mine done yesterday. >> girl, we can sit here and talk. thanks so much for joining us. i'm sure this is something we'll hear about more. we women and our hair. thanks so much for joining us "at this hour." you can join us after this hour. log on to your computers because

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